Because burning propellant has only one purpose in a bolt gunto propel the bullet out of the barrel. And, fortunately, nobody can work the bolt fast enough to extract the case while theres residual pressure in the barrel. 1, (4) Ruger M77 MKII All-Weather, (5) Mossberg MVP and (5) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle. | I am new to reloading the .223 round. Dont know about the Canada made or the. I don't have my data here in front of me but I use IMR-4198 with a 50gr V-Max. You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. Good luck and best wishes. In spite of the .223 Remingtons name, standard bullet diameter is .224-inch. and 222 Rem. I got a 8 pound key of 4198 for my wifes bolt action 223. In my opinion H-4198 or IMR 4198 either are good choices. 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None of the cartridges in the accompanying data were crimped, as they were fed and fired in single-shot mode. I have come to the conclusion that if this doesn't shoot accurately in your rifle, nothing will. Compressed charges of slower-burn-rate propellants are more compatible with loading heavier bullets. 0000003178 00000 n I tried some 4198 and can shoot clover leafs at 50 yards (with XS sights even !) IMR-4198 is probably too slow for most uses in the 450b.--Bob. 5?Z^svZi+4`yj!+o%gCR] 7%[P.]u$r4~%TitoUu}dxQ^_y9:sz^7;[K` o endstream endobj 64 0 obj 1540 endobj 65 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 64 0 R >> stream of muzzle energy and really puts the Hornady Leverevoltion to shame. Rick, Your 24.7gr of H4198 with the 39 & 40 is 2.2 gr more powder than Hodgdon recommends for the 33gr bullet. IT WORKS REALLY GOOD ON MY 223 AMMO RELOADS. you looking for max velocity, or accuracy? I take my grandson out shilooting every weekend and load up a hundred rounds of 223 every week for him. Doing some load development for the Savage Axis 223. Have many loads sub MOA .223 Remington and 308 rifles. Mediocre accuracy and velocity combined with lousy metering in the powder measure. I use a case/cartridge headspace gauge to spot-check roughly 10 percent of my brass after completing case prep. In 1990, the Hornady XTP (which stands for Extreme Terminal Performance) won the industry's Product. THANKS FOR THE GREAT PRODUCT AND SERVICE. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK. I take factory rounds out each time to verify it cycles correctly. The only draw back is the V-Max 53's need a 1-9 or 1-10 to shoot accurately in the 223s'. With-out-doubt. Big difference between the accuracy needed for 300 yard P-dog shots and across-the room HD shots. The accompanying data is intended for .223 Remington chamber dimensions and includes bullet weights ranging from 35 to 75 grains. How much of the 4198 do you have ? Have not got a chance to shoot this powder yet but I do have a bunch of charges weighed up and I must say while weighting it out the consistency of the powder looks great. However, in direct-impingement ARs, the gas port diameter and how far its located along the barrel are fixed. Used to be when you asked about choosing a powder there was one answer. Ten weighed cases averaged 89.4 grains (without primers) and held 30.8 grains of water. Thanks for the help guys. Most success is in bolt guns it seems. I have only shot 4198 in bolt guns, but there is no reason the ammunition would not work well in ARs. I tried 7 other powders. Some of his best results were with handloads measuring up to 2.320 inches. .223 Remington (Hodgdon Data Using IMR Powder) reloading data with 221 loads. The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. They typically weighed between 90.5 grains and 92.5 grains and on average held around 30.6 grains of water, measured level with the case mouth. If so you can check that by using it. I purchased this powder to reload 45-70 for my sharps rifle, I dont load them to hot as I want something enjoyable to shoot all afternoon target shooting. I will try and remember to post the results here in case anyone else was wondering the same thing. Hodgdon offers more than a dozen different propellants for reloading 223/5.56 ammo. What It Is Not. I use both IMR and h-4198 at the same charge weight, 21 grain's with a 55 gr bullet with tight shooting groups. I used IMR 4198 when I could no longer find VV N120 for 40 grain .223. Brand: Savage. I say gave because he never paid me, LOL. There is some people that might give you info that is not any good! A ball powder is superior in such applications over a stick powder. All Shotguns; Bolt Action Shotguns; Happy to find it in stock! A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. 0000023906 00000 n 0000016068 00000 n The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. 243, although I agree it's a port pressure issue . So no metering problems. April 17th, 2019 - Imr 4198 Powder Reloading Data I can find load data with 25 gr Hornady s using IMR 4198 but nothing with 20 N120 is one of the suggested 17 Hornet powders in the latest Hornady manual A few test loads for the 458 SOCOM using IMR 4198 Powder and 300 grain this load data There are two options for acquiring data on the Hodgdon . Let me ask you this. I burn up 10 lbs of old Dupont IMR 4198 in an M16A1 carbine with a 14.5 inch barrel and a Ruger Mini14. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. 0000013745 00000 n Competition shooters know that the bullets position in the chamber throat/leade can significantly affect accuracy. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. bullets. I received the IMR 4198 powder I ordered quite quickly and well packaged. To cut to the chase. The maximum listed by IMR for a 55 gr bullet was 21.5 gr back then (2001) and what i used. Loc: Mason,Tx,U.S.A. "My barrel is a 1:8 twist though so I switched to a heavier bullet to tighten the groups.". His load was 4198, 19.5 grains and a 52 grain hollow point flat base bullet of unknown manufacture. Powder For Sale Northern Indiana (South Bend area). Never used it, don't know much about it. 5 IMR 4198. 223 using Hornady bulk 55gr FMJ boat tail bullets over Hodgdon CFE223 or IMR 4198. In either a bolt action or an AR, the chamber and bore may be cut tight or loose. We need to get one thing straight. Click the Sierra icons here Hodgdon MSDS on the new powder. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. . To develop the accompanying handload data, a Savage Model 10 Predator Hunter Max was used; it features a 22-inch barrel, a 1:9 twist rate and was fitted with a Nikon 3-12x M223 scope. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. Model : UPC : 754486053066. I worked up to this charge as should you! In fact, if all of the propellant gas exits the muzzle (i.e., the primer or cartridge case didnt leak or blow out), youre a long way toward declaring your handload safe and reliable. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. My Savage 223 model 110 . Initially, sporting rifles chambered for the .223 Remington and mil-spec AR pattern rifles designed to fire the M193 Ball cartridge featured a 1:12 rifling twist. respective bolt-action designs in the 223 Remington. Back then a 55gr bullet was a heavy bullet in the 223 and about all I used Seem's factory barrels came with 1-9 twist's said to best balance that heavy bullet. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. As a result, firing 5.56 NATO ammunition in a rifle with a .223 chamber can result in excessively high pressures and is generally not recommended; however, .223 ammunition can be fired in a 5.56 chamber without issues. Burn rates range from IMR 4198 (fastest) to CFE 223 (slowest). Mag, IMR-4198 was pretty much the go to powder for a couple decades. While .224-inch thick bullet selection for the .223 Remington is broad and typically ranges in weight from 35 to 90 grains, terminal performance varies. 0000009251 00000 n It worked great in my AR pistol but for the life of me I could not get it to cycle my rifle length gas system 18 AR rifle. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. More about them later. I use 4198 to push an assortment of .223 through my 3 bolt action guns. All these have offered complete penetration on broadside shots. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I started using IMR 4198 to I worked up a load too 21.5grs with 55gr bullets with a AOL of 2.250. Is there any milsurp IMR8208 around anymore? I tried AA 5744 and Hodgdon 322 under Hornady 300gr JHP and just couldn't get decent groupings consistently, despite hand weighing every charge. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Never a problem. I found the IMR 4198 powder is the most accurate powder for my 7.62 x 39 loads. Never have used that powder in much of anything. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. There is a big difference between a 20-24" bolt gun and a 16" carbine. IMR4198 is all Ive used in 223 and 222, since about 1982. The gas port in a piston-operated AR is also fixed but may incorporate a size adjustment feature. My experience shows, generally speaking, the faster-burn-rate choices work better with bullets weighing up to 60 grains. many years ago long before I had any interest in AR-15s, has reams of 223 Rem. Play with it, you might find that magical combination. The brass stays in the chamber and/or the rim is torn or bent. Why? That was a long time ago. Of the powders used to develop the accompanying data, there is not a single right or wrong choice, as all gave respectable accuracy and velocity. This Extreme series extruded propellant has gone through some changes since its inception while maintaining the identical burning speed of the past. Good cycling out of the AR15. POWDERS. The chamber throat/leade dimensions are also a major determining factor. Remember, I am talking about bolt rifles. 0000003156 00000 n Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Just a note that if you research using IMR or H4198 you will find it's the most problematic powder for reloading AR's. Mostly with the 52 grain bullets. Lot's of problems reported using light charges of 4198 especially with short stroking and not picking up the next round in the magazine. New Hornady cases were used exclusively here and were uniform in weight, length, flash hole size, etc. I think you will find much better results with a ball powder, A-2230, H-335, W-748, etc. What I tired of was measuring each round since, as others have noted, does not meter well in the RCBS. 0000023828 00000 n but with 55 gr. In either AR action type, the buffer spring can be replaced to vary the spring rate over a limited range. I had some, didn't like it. data showing how varying the bulletseating depth improved accuracy in his bolt actions. Accuracy Load IMR-4198 23.0 3500 1088 Hunting Load H335 29.1 3700 1216. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. Nonetheless, their average water capacity was almost the same as the combined average of the weighed commercial brass. Wilson Combat Paul Howe Tactical 6.5 Creedmoor: Full Review of the Versatility Champ, Sweet Scents of Gun Solvents and Oils: 12 Perfumes for Firearms, 10 Great .22 Mag Bolt-Action Rifles Right Now, Ruger No. imr 4198 for 223 bolt action. The Sierra data seems more on line with what I have seen elsewhere, so I will start with their min. Shoots consistently out of my muzzleloader. Results for the 150 gr. This article is intended for handloaders who have experience reloading for their bolt-action rifles and now want to handload for an AR-style semiautomatic rifle. I recently bought reloading equipment for my son-in-law and grandsons to reload the .45-70 for Ohio deer hunting. IMR 4198 - This fast burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the .222 Remington, .221 Fireball, .45-70, and .450 Marlin. For the .223, I loaded 24.5 grains with the Speer 52 grain BTHP match bullets for about 2850 fps and started shooting 1/2" groups in my Ruger 77 long Range Rifle with very little experimenting. . Well that's pretty quick. I believe, I am what is keeping it from its full potential. Begin with start loads and work up carefully to maximum powder charges while checking for signs of excess pressure. Will buy more when its available. Compressed charges of slower-burn-rate propellants are more compatible with loading heavier bullets. I used it to reload 223 in a ar-15 pistol with a 7.5 in barrel this product did exactly what I wanted it to do it was accurate and velocities were right where I wanted them to be 2200 FPS with a 55 gr bullet this may not be rifle velocity you want but it is good in short barrel ar pistols. Current production IMR-4198 should be Canadian-made and can cycle most AR15's when loaded to maximum loads. Another one is IMR 4198 (21.6gr.) J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Ain't 1 in 7 but close. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. I'm not a 223 shooter or owner however, with the two cartridges the 223 more less evolved from, the 222 Rem. . One of the three most accurate rifles I ever owned. All Rights Reserved. It may or may not cycle. The .223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. Their was a run on powder and primers just like the old days during the ammo shortage. For several reasons, this cartridge was not accepted by the military, but Remington chose to introduce it commercially as the .222 Remington Magnum in 1957-1958. For example, most bullet manufacturers offer highly frangible varmint bullets that give near-explosive results on thin-skinned pests such as ground squirrels and prairie dogs. I have an 8lb sealed jug of 4198 that I won't use. Its performance approached the .222 Remington Magnum (center) introduced in 1957. 0000010535 00000 n of IMR-4198. This fast burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the 222 Remington, 221 Fireball, 45-70, and 450 Marlin. It is a stick powder as previously mentioned. I just finished shooting a batch of 53 BTHP using 19.5 grains..it was one of the softest shooting loads i've shot. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. 0000005092 00000 n I have been looking for alternative powders, but soon everything could be gone. Mag, IMR-4198 was pretty much the go to powder for a couple decades. This is a compressed charged (anything over 25gr with 3031 in a 223 Rem case will be a compressed charge) and needs to have a slight crimp in it. 0000007976 00000 n IMR4198 is used by a lot of cast bullet shooters, loads are in many of the manuals. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! I keep my muzzle velocity down around 1282 FPS. I use this powder in my Grendel load development with great success. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. /x:^6"]eAfy(Pjch[nc2@:P%N!CvU}V5tFUs4ejng5bVCv[ Nickel size+/- 5 shot groups at 100yds. attentiveness vs attention imr 4198 for 223 bolt action. These barrels offer good accuracy with 35- to 55-grain, lead-core bullets that include popular varmint and match designs. I use IMR-4198 for my .30BR and 7.62x39 accuracy loads, and will be trying it out using pulled bullets from x39 ammo in x54R reduced recoil loads for my 110lb Granddaughter's scoped M-N 91/30. I got a 8 pound key of 4198 for my wifes bolt action 223. The hogs are dead before they hit the ground. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. Google" port pressure ar15" Location and size of the port has a direct effect. Pretty ancient history, but it was a .556 specific powder. Like a bolt gun, an AR has hard physical features, but the design and operation are more complex. It should be good for bullets up to at least 75 grains. I used IMR4198 in my wife's 222 Rem, and have tried it in cast bullet guns from 22 Hornet to 45/70. Ive seen a lot of his targets that further confirm the fact that accuracy in bolt actions can be improved in this manner. The IMR 4198 POWDER is highly stable due to the presence of high-quality chemical stabilizers used in its preparation. I use the Hodgdon data to reload all my different rounds. 0000001288 00000 n Location and size of the port has a direct effect. The .223 Remington (right) was based on the .222 Remington case (left). intend on doing with this bullet, and what you intend shooting it out of. Maybe you'll have no issues but lot's do with 4198 powders in AR's. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Ordered this to reload 444 marlin. Ive had good luck using the RCBS crimp remover tool mounted on the companys powered case-prep center.

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