You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. I dont even know its Christmas.. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree You seem to have a fragile ego. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. You know whats interesting? Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? You should be ashamed of yourself. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? No show. How is it that these women are paroled? Lie detectors are pseudo science. I dont think so. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. You people are fighting a losing cause! If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Great communicator. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? she didnt need to . I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. 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Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Have you read the book? A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Thank you Kerry. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Both wanted to be doctors. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. "You knew how the I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Nailed? She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. None. 5 years prior to all this happening! Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. However, Said never called 911. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Emailus. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Deal refused. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. She was wrongfully convicted.. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Nope. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. False. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! And the obvious answer is not as you claim. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. (Ross Township Police Department). Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. You are absolutely right. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. Nope. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Thank you and well said. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. She is the one who tricked them, first by Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. I agree. You took my family all in one night," she said. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. Everyone lies. Media galore. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. . She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. Locked up. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Book her. Not gender neutral. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Animals would have for sure. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. We really thought she was dead all those years. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Traupman died in 2016. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. False. Why not question some of this evidence? How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Mr Steve J Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. Unbloody vehicle. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Search is on. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Kidnapped and killed? Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? I think shes guilty for sure. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Highly charged case. He was happy. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Although I would have liked it to be death! And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Not normal folks obsessed ones do. More hairs there. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Cop defends accused. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! We didnt expect it. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call.

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