Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! St. Augustine wrote: Hell, which also is called a lake of fire and brimstone, will be material fire, and will torment the bodies of the damned, whether men or devilsthe solid bodies of the one, aerial bodies of the others; or if only men have bodies as well as souls, yet the evil spirits, though without bodies, shall be so connected with the bodily fires as to receive pain without imparting life. In Mormonism, it depends. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. Thus ensued the War in Heaven, which resulted in Satan and his followers being cast out of heaven and denied the opportunity of receiving a physical body. lift[ed] up his eyes and saw Abraham and Lazarus across an impassable gulf (Luke 16:23). hell.. It is simply his opinion. However, Lucifer did not know all the purposes of the Father as we learn from the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:6. spirit prison. This is not an easy thing to do unless you are choosing to do so while being fully aware that you are doing so. Just one sin. He wrote: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. Even the wicked of the earth who never knew the power of God, after they have paid the price of their sinningfor they must suffer the excruciating torment which sins will bringshall at last come forth from the prison house. No Mormon since the 1890 change has had the authority to marry any man to more than one woman. And remember you can be excommunicated for asking church leaders to give solid answers so trust the apologists who say to only trust the prophets on matters like this. Yea, Alma wrote, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell (Alma 36:13). It's not as simple as you make it out to be. [Discourse given on 20 January 1895.] Bruce M. Metzger and Michael D. Coogan (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993), s.v. In Mormonism, Outer darkness is described as "those who are unfaithful, those who will listen to Satan, who will lend a willing ear to his blandishments and to his allurements, when they go from this state of existence, they go into a condition where they are subject to his power. He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. so we will be able to realistically discuss the likelihood that a person who left the church could ever end up in Outer Darkness. The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? Now go take a nap and rest well! 21:8; cf. 8:13). When I bring this issue up with some Latter-day Saints, I sometimes get defensive arguments. 8 - 14 are for safety. For example: everlasting fire (Matt. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible. I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . In the Bible, the phrases lake of fire and lake of fire and brimstone, describing the fate of the wicked, are unique to the book of Revelation. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). (To see his baptism for the dead record and other temple work done for him, click here.). Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. The prophet Alma described the disposition of those in outer darkness: And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evilfor behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their houseand these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil (Alma 40:13; cf. . Mormons believe that a majority of people on this Earth will go to one of these three heavens. 16:811)meaning to be left with those who would partake of that permanent hell reserved only for those who, as Jacob stated, are filthy still.. Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. As with anything in Mormon doctrine, theres a lot of confusion, contradictory information and just all around ignoring a topic that should be as simple as asking a question and getting an answer. The Book of Mormon does not teach the doctrinal truth that hell will end for the majority of those who suffer in the spirit prison prior to being resurrected and entering the telestial kingdom; however, this truth is clearly taught in the Doctrine and Covenants (see D&C 76:3638, 106). The Book of Mormon provides another testament of the reality of a designated place called hell, where the wicked are consigned. Hell is a state of suffering, both temporary and permanent. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. 2:8-10) Jesus' atonement provided immortality for all people. Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. They go too far, and the Spirit leaves themYou cant renew them to repentancyou cannot save them. (Joseph Smith Jr., King Follett Discourse). Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. Another name for Outer Darkness is hell. 3:20; 10:9- 10; Eph. It even warns its readers to beware of the devils temptation to disbelieve the doctrine of a personal devil and that there is an actual place and/or state called hell. 23:15). Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. Meanwhile, sixth President Joseph F. Smith, also taught that a full knowledge of the truth is necessary, adding that not even Judas Iscariotthe betrayer of Jesuswill be destined for Outer Darkness: It is probable that only personages who have acquired similar full knowledge, who willfully and deliberately deny the truth, when they know it to be the truth, can commit the unpardonable sin and become sons of perdition. The use of the term exterior darkness is in Jesus' parable of the wedding feast (also known as the parable of the marriage of the king's son). Are the devils before the world created sons of perdition? They believe that they are mortal men capable of mistakes just like the rest of us. Clean and Unclean In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . 20:6). The Book of Mormon teaches that after death, the spirits of those who "chose evil works rather than good" in mortality will be "cast out . While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). Salvation is release from the guilt and power of sin through God's gift of grace. 28:2223). One fire certainly shall be the lot of both. [4]. 5. An in depth look at the Mormon doctrine of hell. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. Even Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler will get nothing less than the telestial kingdom since he was never baptized/confirmed into the church; work was done in proxy for him in the London, England temple several decades ago. ABCs of Science and Mormonism now available in Print from Amazon! If he were ignorant, he could not have become perdition. Jesus disciples were told not to fear those who could kill the body but to fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. 11:23). It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. For many years, those who have forfeited their membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have been told by other Mormons that they were Sons of Perdition destined for Outer Darkness. Hell is outer darkness; it is the lake of fire; and it is the second death. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. A) Never had a body B) Did evil things in this world C) Never joined the LDS Church D) All of the above are true. For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. [1] The pains of hell can also be experienced in mortality (Jacob 3:11). 12:22). Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Ibid.). Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. T F It is practically impossible for those who were human to ever be sent to Outer Darkness. T F According to a church manual, those who never were Mormon could never be sent to Outer Darkness. Alma 40. This is a Son of perdition. He called the Pharisees and scribes vipers and questioned, How can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. Return to the Crash Course Mormonism Index. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. to become a son of perdition? And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. Outer darkness is a place reserved for the Devil, his angels, and the sons of perdition. It is an eternal destination, a place where very few (if any) human beings will ever be sent. In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. Who will partake of it, and what is the nature of the eternal torment? In Christianity, it is understood that anyone who denies the holy spirit goes to outer darkness, but they see it as a synonym for Hell. Thank you! The opposition gospel twists the title of Adversary into a positive thing. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. Jesus marvelled at the faith of a centurion he met in Capernaum and proclaimed that many would come from the east and west, and [would] sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). 22:13) if it is also a place of perpetual fire (Matt. In addition, Alma defined the second death as dying as to things pertaining unto righteousness. These individuals are chained down to an everlasting destruction and are subject to the will of Satan. How many people. King Benjamin defined the cause of this great torment: Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. It is the closest Mormon analogy to the concept of hell in most other Christian traditions. . . Yet what kind of devious person would it be who knew full well that Mormonism was trueincluding the historicity of theBook of Mormon,the authenticity of the restored churchs leadership that began withJoseph Smith,and the accuracy of theFirst Visioneventand then fight against these truths? Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. 25:30). There are ten references to the lake of fire and brimstone in the Book of Mormon. But as with anything, that doesnt stop prophets from talking about it like they knew. First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). New Testament [ edit] Whether Christians have believed hell to be literal or figurative, the New Testament metaphor of an unquenchable lake of fire has conjured up for believers in the Bible harsh images of souls consigned to never-ending punishment as recompense for their evil deeds done while on earth. To add an RSC website shortcut to your home screen, open the website in the Safari browser. Even if I did, I still am not eligible for outer darkness. Then, I say unto you, they shall be as though there had been no redemption made; for they cannot be redeemed according to Gods justice; and they cannot die, seeing there is no more corruption (Alma 12:13,1618). Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. Those who followed Lucifer in his rebellion in the premortal life and those who in mortality sin against the Holy Ghost are sons of perdition. If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? 9:1012, 1516). Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball wrote. Jesus warned that those who mocked their brothers by saying Thou fool were in danger of hell fire (Matt. Bad as they may suffer, and awful as their punishment may be, they are not among that group which is to suffer the eternal death and banishment from all influence concerning the power of God (Conference Reports, October 1958, 21). ). This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition. There was a movement a few years ago to have people deny the holy spirit on Youtube, where many a youtuber claimed they would now go to Outer Darkness. Please read, the source above, What is Official LDS Doctrine. Hence, the very worse lot in their lives will be the telestial kingdom. Dennis L. Largey was an associate professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University when this was published. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment (2 Ne. Thus, the only mortals who can possibly become sons of perdition must be Latter-day Saints who fall/fell away. 9:710, 19, 26). Yet I an certainly exempt from outer darkness, no questions asked. At the end of the twenty years, the knife would be withdrawn and again stabbed into us, with the resulting excruciating pain lasting another twenty years; this process would then be repeated for all eternity. (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). Again, the doctrine of the second death is woven together with other essential parts of the plan of salvation, offering the reader the big picture concerning Gods judgments. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Even if a person had once been a Latter-day Saint, Kimball said it still was practically impossible for a human to become a son of perdition: The sin against the Holy Ghost requires such knowledge that it is manifestly impossible for the rank and file to commit such a sin (Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 123) (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, p. 161). In Mormonism, it depends. They will not have a kingdom of glory. 22:13) that awaits the wicked? 34:3435; note Almas repetitive use of the word state in Alma 40:1112; see also D&C 101:9091; 133:7073). You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. (see Rom. But suppose, deep down, I do believe the church is true. For those who once were baptized and confirmed into Mormonism, what is your status? Alma the Younger contributed even more insight on the second death when he gave the wicked people of Ammonihah a detailed description of the fate of those who harden their hearts against the word of God: Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned. The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). Meanwhile, I have known many who could be considered fighters against the church, including those who became involved in what could be considered anti-Mormon activities. And now I say unto you, that mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a never-ending torment (Mosiah 2:3839). Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Serve Satan. Jesus declared that this exalted city would be brought down to hell (Matt. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. Your email address will not be published. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. Concerning the first resurrection John observed: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Rev. In my last post, I claimed that I might be a candidate for outer darkness. Again Mormons think this is a very hard place to get into. I wonder if the language is tripping people up here. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List, You continue to fight against the true church, Those spirits who rebelled against God in the preexistence are the original sons of perdition. The Book of Mormon clarifies that the lake of fire and brimstone is a metaphor for the suffering of the wicked. Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. Because of the resurrection, the body and spirit of the wicked are restoredthe body from the grave and the spirit from hell to be judged. it could be a reference for the resurrected who gain inheritance on other worlds but without the fulness of That there will also be daughters of Perdition there is no doubt in the minds of the brethren. kingdoms of glory. ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. 2:4). (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Matt. Through baptism and confirmation by priesthood authority, you became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 21, So, even if you attended LDS Church services, sang the hymns, and even partook of the weekly sacrament, yet you were never baptized and confirmed into the faith, you can never become a son of perdition. 20:1314). Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation). Even the most evil of people, including Adolph Hitler and those of his ilk, appear to have a place reserved for them in nothing less than the telestial kingdom. Mormon theology ultimately portrays Outer Darkness as heaven, and Satan as the God of that realm. What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? 22:13-14, D-R.). 9:16) after the final judgment. (-Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse), There is my definition I used in my previous post. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie have rejected the idea that those in perdition can ultimately be redeemed, which contradicts Brighams speculations. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. Which would be a sure-fire way to know that a spirit is headed to Outer Darkness? Because reasons. This is the second death. 4:32; 3 Ne. Gregory A. Boyd, Paul R. Eddy Across the Spectrum: Understanding Issues in Evangelical Theology pp285 2009 "For example, how can hell be a place of outer darkness (Matt. It also adds insight that, when blended with other essential doctrines, offers a more complete understanding of the plan of salvation. They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. Outer Darkness. This is the final destination of Satan himself. Sons of Perdition are to be cast out with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. The first death is physical death, and everyone but the devil and his angels will overcome physical death through Resurrection. Also God says no one knows in scripture, so stop asking; but He also said in scripture that He upbraideth not those who have questions and if you ask it shall be opened unto you. If you want to make the point that Mormon Prophets have said some weird stuff, I am all for it. And, if you havent come into relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, I encourage you to do some homework and meet Him.

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